pedigree talk
I'll give it a go, but it's spotty information.
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First Generation:
Ian Wycliffe's 5 children.
The children had 4 different mothers.
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1) Ian had a son named Martin Wycliffe.
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2) Ian had a son named Murdoch Wycliffe.
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3 & 4) Ian had 2 daughters by Rebecca Sache.The girls were named Angelique, and Aegina.
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5) Ian had a daughter named Chantilly Felice.
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Next Generation:
Ian Wycliffe's 4 grandchildren.
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1) Martin Wycliffe had a daughter named Zinnia.
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2) Murdoch Wycliffe, and his half sister Angelique, had a son together. The son was named Clarion.
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3) Aegina, had a baby, referred to as the Executive, with her sister's & brother's incestuously bred son, Clarion.
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Clarion is also Aegina's nephew, because his father's father is Aegina's father. So Aegina is Clarion's double Aunt.
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4) Ian's daughter, Chantilly Felice, had a baby called "Command Performance" by Ian's great grandson, the Executive.
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Since Murdoch Wycliffe (the Executive's grandfather) is Chantilly Felice's half brother, the Executive is Chantilly Felice's half grand-nephew.
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But Chantilly Felice's half sister, Angelique is the Executive's grandmother, so the Executive is Chantilly's double half grand-nephew.
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Also, Aegina, the Executive's mother, is also Chantilly Felice's half sister, so the Executive is her half nephew, as well as being her double half grand-nephew.
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Third Generation: the children of the Executive.
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The Executive has 5 children, with 4 different mothers.
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1) The afore mentioned "Command Performance" , who is also Ian Wycliffe's grand daughter.
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2) The Executive and Zinnia Wycliffe had a daughter, named Lady Mizo Montec. Zinnia's grandfather is Executive's great-grandfather, so her mate is her cousin's son.
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3 & 4) Bel Tor Caused a Scandal having 2 children with the Executive, but no mention is given if they are related.
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The first child is called "the Bureaucrat", and the second is named Eureka.
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The 4th generation, the grandchildren of the Executive:
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1) "Busting With Joy":
The Executive's daughter, Lady Mizo Monec, had a baby by her half brother, "the Bureaucrat" - they call the baby "Busting With Joy".
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They are not only half siblings on their father's side, but each has a parent who is cousin to the one of the other's parents.
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Both of Busting With Joy's grandfathers are one and the same, the Executive.
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2) Trustbuster: is a grandson of the Executive, and due to inbreeding, he is also twice the great grandson of Executive.
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Trustbuster's mother, Acadia Commanding of Eaton, is a daughter of Eureka.
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Therefore, from the Executive's point of view:
His son got his daughter's daughter pregnant.
That's a half Uncle/Niece incest.
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(How would you feel if your daugthter had a daughter, and your son got your grand daughter pregnant?)
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But they are related on other sides as well.
From Bel Tor's point of view, her son had a baby with her daughter's daughter - his own half niece.
Again half uncle & niece.
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From Command Performance's point of view, her half brother got her daughter pregnant. Uncle/niece again.
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From the point of view of the mother, Acadia Commanding of Eaton, she had a baby by her Uncle.
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From the father, Bureaucrat's point of view, he got his sister's daughter pregnant.
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.3 & 31/2) Acadia Commanding of Eaton is twice the grandchild of the Executive, since her father is his son, and her mother is his daughter.
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Her son is the Executive's grandson as well, and also his great grand son.
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4) Torchlight Mitzvah is a grandchild of the Executive. Torchlight Mitzvah's mother was Alee What Price A Dream.
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The Trustbuster kin continues:
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Trustbuster only had one offspring listed here - Aliyah Desperado, whose mother was Torchlight Mitzvah (mentioned above)..
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Trushbuster's daughter Aliyah Desperado, had only one offspring listed here, Affirmed, whose other parent was Busting with Joy.
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Trustbusters's grandchild, Affirmed only had one offspring listed here, and that is Arabaca (who pedigree this is).
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Arabaca's other parent, was Aziza, who is a grandchild of Busting With Joy.
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Therefore, from Busting With Joy's point of view: one of her children bred to one of her grandchildren, another Aunt/Nephew or Uncle/Niece incest.
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From Aliyah Desperado's point of view; her mother's grandfather and her father's grandfather are the same- the Executive.
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(Some names have been arranged in English order: Lady Mizo Montec = Montec's Lady Mizo. It makes it easier to read for most people.)
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I'm not perfect, you can look at the original and see if you find any errors:
https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjSR1yY3CWaef9sG5mVG7SjUJh-NkVOo3rjtiZcV0ZvDeBCKdKJi-vhdNQF54d5nhrC_K03EkmtX4h8tiMvl9H-6qvjV1rjlNN2ZIdsSEUNgb6-k1NC5UNGuYBVwSm0ML2aZhad0VhUa4SK/s1600-h/poodle-tree-eaton-from-canine-diversity-project.gif
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Poodle site, with more on this pedigree:
http://www.canine-genetics.com/eaton.htm
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More poodle talk
http://www.canine-genetics.com/poodles.htm
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I don't agree with all the show dog stuff, but I do agree with what Dr. Armstrong said about some of the problems in dog breeding which require more attention, so I'm happy to have stumbled onto his site, and I'll link to the home page here.
http://www.canine-genetics.com/
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Aw, have found that if you scroll down on the site just above, there are more links. I gave it the 2 minute buzz. If you don't know genetics you can read the basics there.
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I had been wondering how much basic stuff I need to write. Why should I bother? You can read it there. Just don't get suckered into any of the dog show stuff - dogs shows are in serious need of re-vamping.
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My ideas are not an offspring of the old style, but a different path. The DAW being typed in at publicdomainkennelclub are a description of what is obviously really out there (the basic types of dogs). The breeds are artificial splits of basic types, that have no biological need (just commercial needs, and political needs, and oh yes, it helps those who are using pet dogs for lab rats).
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I have moved on to: what to do about the problems. And am trying to verbalize the path, so that other people can see, not just the end path, but how I arrived at those conclusions.
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I do take stray asides. Like finding Dr Armstrong's site this morning. Pity he died already, I'd of liked to speak with him, encourage him.
